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					<title><![CDATA[09-06-2011 – Fun With Particles #1 [ANSWERED]]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>koichi</dc:creator>

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						<p>You guys get slightly longer mini lessons this week to make up for the holiday / missed days. So, I think this week we&#8217;ll cover particles, as well as different sentneces that use the same particles (but in different ways). Goal is to figure out all the different ways a singl particle can be used (and being able to differentiate between them).</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s particle is の. Here are your sentences.</p>
<h2>1) MisterMさんの猿です。</h2>
<p>a. What&#8217;s the meaning of this sentence?</p>
<h2>2) ソニーの田中さんです。</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<p>b. Who&#8217;s saying this? Tanaka or someone else?</p>
<h2>3) 面白いのを買った</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<h2>4) 買ったのを使った</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<p>b. How do you know what was bought? (assuming this is part of a conversation)</p>
<h2>5) Missingさんのが欲しい。。。</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<p>b. What is the の doing in the last three sentences?</p>
<h2>6) 漢字を習うのは難しいです。</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<h2>7) Winterさんが寿司を食べるのを見た</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<p>b. What is the の doing to the previous two sentences?</p>
<h2>8) どうして食べているの？</h2>
<p>a. Meaning?</p>
<p>b. What do you know about the person speaking based off the の?</p>
<p>c. What does the の do to this sentence?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Alright &#8211; we&#8217;ll see how much you get through / questions you have between now and tomorrow to see if I put up another tomorrow or wait until the next day. Hopefully it&#8217;ll be good to see the different ways particals can be used outside the basic uses.</p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>missingno15</dc:creator>

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						<p>5)ちょっと、やらしいじゃないんですか？！？！？</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>koichi</dc:creator>

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						<p>only if you want it to be, haha</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>MisterM2402 [Michael]</dc:creator>

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						<p>1. My (yes, <b>MY</b>) monkey. 猿島だよ。</p>
<p>2. Tanaka of Sony. (like an employee, I&#8217;m guessing)<br />
   Someone else saying it.</p>
<p>3. I bought something interesting. (I thought 物 was for &#8220;a thing&#8221; while の was for &#8220;an event&#8221;,<br />
   though&#8230;)</p>
<p>4. I used the thing that I bought.</p>
<p>5. I want Missing&#8217;s [item].<br />
   の is used as a substitute for the noun in question &#8211; you could call の a&#8230; &#8220;generic noun&#8221;, I think?</p>
<p>6. Learning kanji is hard. (Pffffffft!! It&#8217;s a piece of cake :P)</p>
<p>7. I saw/noticed Winter eating sushi.<br />
   の is used here to turn verb-phrases into nouns.  There&#8217;s a name for it that I can&#8217;t quite remember.<br />
   &#8220;I saw **the act of Winter eating sushi**.</p>
<p>8. Why are you eating sushi?<br />
   Could be any type of person saying this.  の used at the end of a sentence is feminine&#8230; unless it&#8217;s<br />
   a question, I believe: then it would be neutral.<br />
   Makes it a question.</p>
<p>A handful of these are most likely wrong, but I gave it a go, just since I was first :)</p>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 18:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>koichi</dc:creator>

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						<p>&#8230;will allow time for a couple more folks to try, if they want&#8230;</p>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 18:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>MisterM2402 [Michael]</dc:creator>

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						<p>Really odd that this one hasn&#8217;t had more responses XD  There are usually at least 3 by the time I get to see them.</p>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>マーク・ウェーバー</dc:creator>

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						<p>1) MisterMさんの猿です。</p>
<p>a. it is MisterM&#8217;s monkey</p>
<p>2) ソニーの田中さんです。</p>
<p>a. Tanaka of Sony</p>
<p>b. someone else is saying it. Only little children use 3rd person to refer to themselves</p>
<p>3) 面白いのを買った</p>
<p>a. I want to buy an interesting ??? (not quite sure on this one)</p>
<p>4) 買ったのを使った</p>
<p>a. I used what I bought</p>
<p>b. I suppose の refers to the item</p>
<p>5) Missingさんのが欲しい。。。</p>
<p>a. I want Missing&#8217;s(emphasis on Missing)</p>
<p>b. Missing -&gt; Missing&#8217;s. indicates posetion?</p>
<p>6) 漢字を習うのは難しいです。</p>
<p>a. Kanji is diffcult to learn</p>
<p>7) Winterさんが寿司を食べるのを見た</p>
<p>a. I saw you eating sushi Winter </p>
<p>b. ?<br />
8) どうして食べているの？</p>
<p>a. Why are you eating sushi?</p>
<p>b. ?</p>
<p>c. ?</p>
<p>Thanks for waiting xD<br />
These are still pretty hard, but after getting some of the particels down it has gotten easier :)</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>koichi</dc:creator>

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						<p>1) MisterMさんの猿です。</p>
<p>a. It is MisterM&#8217;s monkey</p>
<p>2) ソニーの田中さんです。</p>
<p>a. Tanaka of Sony (i.e. It&#8217;s Tanaka who works at Sony&#8230; Japanese like to associate themselves with groups).</p>
<p>b. Someone else, because さん is being used and you don&#8217;t use さん on yourself.</p>
<p>3) 面白いのを買った</p>
<p>a. (I) bought the interesting one</p>
<p>4) 買ったのを使った</p>
<p>a. (I) used the one I bought</p>
<p>b. How do you know what was bought? (assuming this is part of a conversation)</p>
<p>5) Missingさんのが欲しい。。。</p>
<p>a. I want the one Missing (has)<br />
(maybe Missing had a marker you wanted and so you&#8217;re saying you want to use that marker, the one Missing is using).</p>
<p>b. It&#8217;s assuming that you both know what thing you&#8217;re talking about, and it&#8217;s dropping the noun that&#8217;d normally come after the の. So, those sentences <i>could</i> have been something like &#8220;I want the marker Missing has&#8221; rather than &#8220;I want (the one) that Missing has&#8221; &#8211; since everyone knows what &#8220;the one&#8221; is, you can just say の without anything else.</p>
<p>@Mister &#8211; Might also be a generic noun (so bad at grammar terms) but I believe this is called &#8220;dependent indefinite pronoun&#8221; (had to look that up just now, no idea what that means still&#8230; I just understand the grammar in my mind :(</p>
<p>6) 漢字を習うのは難しいです。<br />
a. Learning kanji is difficult / the act of learning kanji is difficult</p>
<p>7) Winterさんが寿司を食べるのを見た<br />
a. I saw Winter eat sushi / I saw the act of Winter eating sushi</p>
<p>b. The の is &#8220;nominalizing&#8221; a sentence. It makes the part that comes before it &#8220;the act of ___________.&#8221; So, if you add a のを to a verb (for example すしを食べるのを) you&#8217;re saying you&#8217;re doing something to the act of doing something else.</p>
<p>8) どうして食べているの？<br />
a. Why are you eating?</p>
<p>b. Probably a female speaker or a child</p>
<p>c. This sentence ender particle (ね or よ are both sentence ender particles if you don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about) either indicates it&#8217;s an explanation or adds some emotion to the sentence. This grammar comes from のだ or のです. This use of の is going to be considered casual.</p>
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