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					<title><![CDATA[The の particle lessons]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Joffrey</dc:creator>

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						<p>I have a question about the lesson and the worksheet offered at <a href="http://www.textfugu.com/season-1/being-possessive/15-8/#top" rel="nofollow">http://www.textfugu.com/season-1/being-possessive/15-8/#top</a>. It&#8217;s about the order you say things in.</p>
<p>In the lesson, you teach us to say &#8220;Jack is Jill&#8217;s father&#8221; like this:</p>
<p>Jackさん は Jillさん の おとうさん です。</p>
<p>In the answer section of the worksheet you go all</p>
<p>Jillさん の おとうさん は Jackさん です。</p>
<p>on us. I am assuming both are correct, but this inconsistency caused me to think I had all the answers wrong which was kind of a bummer.</p>
<p>I know in English you can go both ways (Jack is Jill&#8217;s father and Jill&#8217;s father is Jack) but is there a preferred order in Japanese?</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Joffrey</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Reply To: The の particle lessons]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Armando</dc:creator>

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						<p>You&#8217;re just switching around what goes where. Both are correct, and they mean the exact translations you put. Just like in English both or used.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Reply To: The の particle lessons]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>MisterM2402 [Michael]</dc:creator>

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						<p>Say you are talking about Jack, and you want to say who he is/what he does, you&#8217;d say「JackさんはJillさんのおとうさんです。」- &#8220;As for Jack/Regarding Jack, (he is) Jill&#8217;s father.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about you&#8217;re talking about Jill&#8217;s family?  You might want to say who Jill&#8217;s father is, so you&#8217;d say「JillさんのおとうさんはJackさんです」- &#8220;As for Jill&#8217;s father/Regarding Jill&#8217;s father, he is (called) Jack.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe you are at a party and you ask someone &#8220;Hey, which one is Jill&#8217;s father again?&#8221;, they might say「かれ / あちら / あの人 / Jackさん<b>が</b>Jillさんのおとうさんです。」- &#8220;*HE* / *OVER THERE* / *THAT MAN (OVER THERE)* / *JACK* is Jill&#8217;s Father.&#8221; (the part before が is emphasised here)<br />
However, for this one, the second example would work too (but IRL, it would be easier just to say &#8220;He is./Jack is./Him./That man./etc.&#8221; haha).</p>
<p>While they&#8217;re both correct, they&#8217;re *slightly* different, &#8220;nuanced&#8221; if you will.</p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Joffrey</dc:creator>

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						<p>Thanks for the confirmation. Perhaps my question was a bit dumb but I have just started learning Japanese and a lot of things are still alien to me. Like I said I was a bit put off by the lessons but I ended up learning more, which is awesome.</p>
<p>PS Michael, look behind you! A three-headed monkey!</p>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>MisterM2402 [Michael]</dc:creator>

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						<p>@Joffrey:  Yeah, yeah, I&#8217;m not falling for THAT one again&#8230; ¬.¬</p>
<p>hehe ;)  Y&#8217;know, Koichi said the exact same thing first time he saw this avatar; guess he&#8217;s a big MI fan too.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t worry, Japanese is alien to just about EVERYBODY when they first start out :)  Asking questions is all part of the learning process.  Once you have one concept down though, another one, more horrific, comes soon after ;)  Don&#8217;t worry: the joy that comes from tackling and conquering these little niggling pain-in-the-ass points &#8220;is what ALL true warriors strive for&#8221;.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, you just gotta draw your weapon and say: &#8220;You fight like a cow!&#8221;<br />
;)</p>
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