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    vanandrew
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    TF describes how both に & で  can be used to describe when something will be happening.

    What’s the difference in this context?

    Are they completely interchangeable or does each have a particular usage with time?

    #38457

    kanjiman8
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    According to the Tofugu particles cheat sheets, Koichi says the following about で:

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    Meaning: “By way of” / “At”
    Can show how and where an action takes
    place.

    Examples:

    くるま で いきます。
    I will go by car.

    わたし は レストラン で たべた。
    I ate at the restaurant.

    The free Nihonshock cheat sheet says the following about で:

    Marks a place, area, or length of time inside which something occurs.
    Marks a method, tool or circumstance under which something happens.
    Marks a material or substance; composition.

    #38458

    vanandrew
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    Thanks K-man.

    It is also says で can be used to indicate when things happen:

    http://www.textfugu.com/season-6/particle-de/3-8/#top

    I’m unsure how this differs from how に indicates when things happen.

    #38461

    Joel
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    The grammar dictionary says で indicates the time something terminates, or the amount of time a period of activity has taken place. By comparison, に indicates a point in time at which something takes place.

    It clarifies the difference between に and で by giving an example where either particle is grammatical:

    春学期は五月十日(に/で)終わる (The spring term ends on May 10th)

    When で is used, the nuance is that the spring term lasts up to May 10. When に is used, however, the sentence simply indicates the time when the spring term ends.

    And also a few sentences where only で will do, like 木村さんは三日でこのレポートを書いた (Kimura-san wrote this report in three days).

    I’m thinking the difference is something like that between に and へ. =)

    #38462

    vanandrew
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    Thanks Joel, that’s good.

    My little friend へ again!

    Only as you brought it up, & TF seems to have abandoned him, how does へ differ from に?

    #38467

    Joel
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    They’re kinda like the difference between “to” and “toward”, though they’re fairly interchangeable.

    #38471

    vanandrew
    Member

    Thanks Joel.

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