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    Cody Bahir
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    Hey everyone, I am a newbie here :D

    Still drilling my kana, but flashcards are just driving me crazy and making me want to commit hari kari :P

    So I am looking for downloadable texts that have both kana and romaji.  Not worried about the meaning SO much yet, just want to get my reading super strong.  The problem is, I cannot seem to find anything like this, either the texts are actual textbooks, or they are simply in kana.  Yes, I could go copy and paste, search for the romaji etc to test myself, but right now I just want to be able to look to the other side of the page to check whether I am reading it right as there are a few pesky kana which I still get confused.

    Any suggestions would be super helpful!

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    #38385

    I don’t think that’s such a great idea – the less romaji you see, the better. By learning kana, you’re trying to move your brain away from thinking in romaji (among other things). Best thing to do would be to get those all-kana textbooks you’re talking about (such as Japanese for Busy People I) and just try to read the words as best you can. If you come to a kana you are stuck with, whip out a handy, dandy little kana table and look it up; I’ve heard the process of looking something up rather than just seeing the answer helps you remember, which might have actually been said by Koichi in Textfugu now that I think about it.

    Once you think you’re comfortable with your kana (both hira- and kata-), move onto starting on tackling kanji as soon as you can, it really does help.

    “Bobby Boucher, that romaji’s the devil!”

    #38387

    Cody Bahir
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    Thanks, but that is exactly the answer I am not looking for.

    If I want to just sit and read, read read read, sometimes I want to check myself, being able to flip the page or look down to check and make sure I read it right would be really helpful for this and speed up the learning process instead of just sitting and writing or drilling flashcards.

    The point is to get past using romaji at all (except for typing of course) and this would definitely help speed up the process.

    #38388

    I had a feeling you wouldn’t like that answer haha. In that case, the textbook Genki I has kana with romaji next to it; I’ve not read the whole thing, but it’s definitely like that at the start of the book. After a while, try finding something that’s purely kana – or native material with kana AND kanji, obviously focussing on the kana – and use the “look-up ones you don’t know” method. If the romaji is right there, your eyes will tend to look at it first even if you don’t mean to, which can lead you to think you’re doing better than you are, so make sure you practice without it too.

    Don’t worry about “speeding up the process” though – most people I’ve seen online take a week or two (I took slightly longer) to become reasonably comfortable with both hiragana and katakana, so it really doesn’t take that long in the first place. And don’t underestimate the power of flash cards – they can be boring at times, but they’re really pretty effective. Who knows, you might even learn them faster that way :D

    #38392

    Luke
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    Kana is super easy. Don’t do this, just keep trying to beat your high score on drag and drop games instead of resorting to romaji. I learnt my kana that way instead of flashcards, I think it actually works a lot better for kana.

     

    I have a few books that all have romaji in addition, drives me nuts because my eyes naturally fixate what looks like English. The woes of being a native speaker.

    #38393

    Cody Bahir
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    Thanks for the replies!

    I do know flashcards are quite effective, but after a while….

    I am also learning Mandarin simultaneously, so constantly drilling them flashcards too.  My Chinese is probably an upper-intermediate level (reading is better than listening, listening is better than speaking) but I live in Taiwan so I am totally functional.

    Thanks for the Genki info, I have Genki but think the material is pretty drab as I am not interested in small talk and I just hate the lame content (most language books are like this) but since I can use it to practice my reading I will open it up and look at that.  Not worried about my eyes being drawn to the English, just cover the page :D

    I am just sitting here with the Chinese papers with a bunch of squares for practicing character writing and drilling myself on the kana, over and over and over, then using my android apps for testing myself, but would like to actually have a way of reading and checking myself quickly.  I am a grad student juggling about a gazillion things so being as expedient as possible is very important atm.  I’ve taken this weekend to sit and learn all the kana (learned hiragana a bit a few months ago, but forgot most of it as I just got focused on my Chinese and research and did not review) but I did not tackle katakana then.  I think by the end of the day I will be able to write both alphabets backwards and forwards, and be able to produce each letter on call (yesterday got through a set-m set and today upon testing myself only forgot about 4 katakana and none of the hiragana….so I think its a doable goal is I just keep sitting here and drilling) then on to practicing with the Genki texts.

    Thanks again!

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    Oh, well if you’re already at an intermediate level with Chinese, you won’t really need to practise kanji afterwards then haha :D

    I have to say, I wasn’t a fan of Genki either, but I guess some people like it. Even though it’s probably kinda similar, I much preferred Japanese for Busy People.

    Good point from Yggbert: drag-and-drop games for kana are a fun way of practising :) Back when I was learning, I also used a site called smart.fm – in the earlier days of TextFugu, it was the recommended flash card system, but then it became subscription based and changed to iKnow, so Koichi moved everything over to using Anki. smart.fm was good because it gave you a mix of multi-choice and type-in-the-answer questions (among others) – you can still do that with Anki, but it’s more of a hassle; this service was pretty slick and looked really nice. It could be worth checking out iKnow for when it comes time to start learning more vocab, if you can spare the change.

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