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    MagmarFire
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    I’ve been going through Season 5, and I hit a small snag of confusion. The chapter translates 「noun + だった はずです」 as “supposed to have been something”, and it translates 「noun + の はずだった」 as “was expected to be something”.

    What’s confusing to me is that “supposed to have been something” is present perfect tense in English, not past; and “was expected to be something” is simple past tense. Assuming I’m not getting my tenses mixed up, anyway.

    But I’m going to assume I’m missing something obvious. Any ideas?

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    Joel
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    There’s a subtle difference between the two sentences, and the synonym-ity of “supposed to” and “was expected to” is not really helping.

    noun + だった はずです = “I am currently expecting that [the noun] used to be [main clause]” (but who knows if it still is).

    noun + の はずだった = “I was expecting that [the noun] (at the time) was [main clause]” (but maybe I’m not expecting that any more).

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    MagmarFire
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    Ah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks much!

    Looks like I just have to remember that whatever だった is closer to is what has its temporal state changed, and the verb being changed inevitably makes it past tense.

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    Joel
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    You can do that with a lot of grammar structures, actually. In some ways, Japanese can be more explicit about tenses than English is. For example:

    ここでは高いビルがありました = There was a tall building here (but it’s not here any more)

    ここでは高かったビルがあります = There was a tall building here (but it’s not tall any more)

    It’s pretty much the difference between “there was a building that is tall” and “there is a building that was tall”.

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