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    vanandrew
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    In season 5 lesson 9 it shows how to convert ~ます verbs to casual/dictionary negative form.

    With ‘group 1′ type verbs it says to take the last kana and change it to an “a-sound” then add  ない to it.

     

    In the practice sheet I noticed that those verbs where the last kana is い, it gets changed to わ, rather than あ.

    Is that the general rule? (the lesson doesn’t mention it).

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    mtb812
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    I am at the same level as you, therefore this might be incorrect.  However, you should be conjugating the Dictionary Form. ます Group 1 verb ending in い becomes う.  For example, さがいます becomes さがう in Dictionary Form.  Then the う in A-Form is わ+ない.  Therefore さがわない.

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    Joel
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    You’re correct. ~う becomes ~わない always. I’m not at all sure why that wouldn’t be mentioned in the lesson…

    #37163

    vanandrew
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    Thanks all!

    @Joel – At first it I assumed it was an exception, except that it was happening all the time! Thanks for clarifying.

    @mtb – The rule in the lesson says you can convert from masu or dict form. Doing from dict form makes more sense.

    #37165

    I am just curious…

    さがう??? I have no clue what you wanted to write, but it has no meaning that I know of.

     

    #37166

    Joel
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    Not entirely sure if you’re as confused as you claim, マーク. What happens if you turn the さ back-to-front? =P

    That was a good catch, though. I didn’t even notice…

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