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    Joel
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    Imiwa. Sticky Study. Both of them apps, I’ll grant, rather than sites, but still. It’s a valid way of representing it.

    Japanese (the app, that is) does it by greying out the okurigana, which is an interesting way of doing it.

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    I think as well as vocab it would be helpful to learn radicals and how kanji are made up of them. I’d suggest reading RTK (you said you could get it from the library?) but instead of working through it the proper way like I did – doing flash cards and making up stories for every single kanji – just read through the book, focussing on bits concerning radicals and stroke order. I feel the main strength of the book is the reader building a familiarity with kanji and how they are composed, and I’m sure this can be done without remembering every single kanji in the way it tells you to. Maybe write out each one a couple of times to get a feel for it, but I think the way I did it with endless flash cards was a waste of time. If I was to redo learning Japanese from the start, I’d definitely not spend so much time on RTK, I’d go through it in a much smarter way.

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    Alexis
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    I think as well as vocab it would be helpful to learn radicals and how kanji are made up of them. I’d suggest reading RTK (you said you could get it from the library?) but instead of working through it the proper way like I did – doing flash cards and making up stories for every single kanji – just read through the book, focussing on bits concerning radicals and stroke order. I feel the main strength of the book is the reader building a familiarity with kanji and how they are composed, and I’m sure this can be done without remembering every single kanji in the way it tells you to. Maybe write out each one a couple of times to get a feel for it, but I think the way I did it with endless flash cards was a waste of time. If I was to redo learning Japanese from the start, I’d definitely not spend so much time on RTK, I’d go through it in a much smarter way.

    Sorry for the late reply. I was trying to take my mind off Japanese (especially Kanji) for a bit. It was proving to be too much for me. Thank you very much for the advice I will most definitely check that book out!

    #44947

    Alexis
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    We keep hearing about this potential massive TextFugu update, but whenever koichi sheds light on it, there’s no time frame given or concrete details of what new content will be added. The idea appears to be to merge TextFugu with EtoEto, but who knows. I think it will eventually see the light of day, but not for a good while yet. By then, most of the current TextFugu members will likely have no need for it anyway.

    Definitely give RTK a go. Loads of people like the method and have found success with it. It might just work for you.

    Yes, ignore the dots in the middle of vocab words. Only seen that on TextFugu.

    Sorry I have not got about to replying sooner! I was trying to avoid Japanese (esp Kanji) as it was overloading my brain. Good things take time I suppose, we just have to wait and see! I have took a look at season 8 and yeah even though there is not much to be explained somehow it doesn’t feel polished at all, the later seasons are definitely a work in progress.

    I definitely will! If not I would probably end up learning like a Japanese kid since my Japanese lessons resume in two weeks.

    Once again thank you!

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    Alexis
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Alexis wrote:</div>
    So for example 入れる. I should learn it as いれる and not い.れる?

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>kanjiman8 wrote:</div>
    Yes, ignore the dots in the middle of vocab words. Only seen that on TextFugu.

    No, you need to remember that the い is represented by the 入 while the れる is the okurigana ending. When the verb conjugates, the reading of the kanji itself stays exactly the same, while only the okurigana changes.

    While I’ll grant most places I’ve seen will write the reading with paretheses as い(れる), you can’t have seen many sites if TextFugu’s the only one where you’ve seen an interpunct, Kanjiman.

    Ah i see, but isn’t it the kanji that changes? 入る > the 入 change to はい ?

    #44950

    Joel
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    入る is a different verb to 入れる – the former is intransitive (“to enter”) and the latter is transitive (“to put [something] in”). I’m talking about conjugations of the same verb – past tense, negative, continuative, imperative, potential, et cetera. 入れる – 入れない – 入れた – 入れなかった et cetera – in all of these cases, the 入 is read as い.

    (Of course, it’s slightly confused by the fact that there’s also an intransitive 入る that’s read as いる, but I’m not sure how often that tends to get used.)

    #44984

    vlgi
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    The main sites I look at for vocab are jisho.org

    Could you list some examples of sites where you’ve seen it with the dots?

    jisho.org

    http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E5%85%A5%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B

    I just checked my Japanese electronic dictionary (Casio Ex word plus something something)

    Many of the dictionaries in it use the dot notation.

    I think its a pretty common notation.

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