Home Forums The Japanese Language On'yomi vs Kunyomi (The question as old as time)

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  • #31245

    vlgi
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    I just use google

    site:www.textfugu.com/bb/ ドアノブ少女

    first part specifies the site you want to search and the second is just the search term.

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    #31255

    Luke
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    I don’t think this is really worth worrying about because if you are learning vocab you will automatically learn when to use which reading. It’s pretty annoying when you are only used to learning vocab using kana but you soon adjust to kanji.

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    #34050

    Booji Boy
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    I recently learned that the meaning and reading of unfamiliar kanji can often be guessed.  If you’ve somehow managed to keep on and kun readings straight, you stand a good chance the readings of new words, or perhaps work out old words you’ve forgotten.  Example 町 is unkwown but has 丁 on the right side and you know the onyomi is ちょう .  you’ve just correctly guessed the reading  for 町 http://kanjidamage.com/kanji/57-neighborhood-small-town-

    What’s more, after reading http://kanjidamage.com/howto I find many answers to shortcomings in TextFugu (deeper nmonics for long or short vowel readings).  Perhaps at the expense of simplicity however, which is a potential problem.  But I’ll have to take a hard look at KD and maybe switchover to it for a while.

    #34056

    Neil
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    I’m still very new at learning Japanese but I’ve been thinking about the reading for kanji and what comes into your head when you see it.

     

    For example if you’re reading a sentence about a river do you see this or this “RIVER”.

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    #34061

    Neil
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    I give up, how do you get this thing to show images?

    #34070

    I feel like more times than not kanji alone or with kana it is kun.  Jukugo are are usually on readings.  Though not all the time, exceptions are usually linked to a particular thing ie numbers, jukugo with body part kanji, and jukugo with 子 are some examples.  The numbers are usually on yomi (except 4 and 7 due to superstition) but the other twoexamples are jukugo with kun yomi readings.  This usually helps me to get it all straight, it becomes second nature eventually.  No explanation for things like 大した though.

    #34072

    hey
    Member

    @Michael Lowrey – Interesting, I think you’re the first person I’ve spoken to that has said the general rules have any merit or value. That gives me some hope. :)

    #34073

    Really the rules of the exceptions are what help me make sense of them.

    #34086

    kanjiman8
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    Similar to Tsetycoon’s explanation in this thread: http://www.textfugu.com/bb/topic/onyomi-and-kunyomi/

    #34702

    Aikibujin
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    Bah! Another weird one.

    When TF brought up this new one in the practice without introducing it first, I thought I would already know how to pronounce it:

    子犬

    I figured two Kanji side by side would be the On reading, and thus would be:

    しいぬ

    But of course it is:

    こいぬ

    Which would be the Kun reading…

    Definitely better to just straight up learn the vocab. >_<

    #34706

    kanjiman8
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    Definitely better to just straight up learn the vocab. >_<

     

    Yeah, the readings can throw a surprise when you least expect it. Much better to just learn the vocab than second guessing all the time.

    #34716

    Joel
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    子 in front of an animal name is always read こ. It’s a prefix rather than a compound word.

    #34734

    Aikibujin
    Member

    Interesting.

    Will the Kanji for the animal name always be the Kun reading in that case as well?

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