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  • #39739

    vanandrew
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    The page for the kanji for ‘test’ uses a squid radical, which doesn’t seem to have been covered before (to my recollection).

    Anyone know where the squid radical could be hiding in TF?

    http://www.textfugu.com/kanji/%E9%A8%93/#top

    #39743

    Joel
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    I don’t think it is hiding anywhere – looks like Koichi might have created the kanji article, then got disctracted before creating the radical page to go with it. If it existed, it’d be at http://www.textfugu.com/radical/squid/, but I’m just getting a 404 error when I go there.

    It doesn’t seem to be a kanji in its own right. The actual word for squid is 烏賊…

    #39745

    vanandrew
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    Thanks, I will forge on.

     

    Poor old neglected squid…

    #39748

    Joel
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    After more research, it appears to be a radical that lends its reading – けん – to characters rather than any particular meaning. There’s a number of characters which have it, and they all have けん as their on’yomi – for example, 検, 剣 or 険. It’s apparently derived from a Chinese-origin character which looks like the left half of 劍 (but which also doesn’t seem to exist in modern Japanese).

    So… don’t worry about squids, just read it as けん?

    #39749

    vanandrew
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    Cool, good discovery.

     

    Thanks.

    #39755

    Astralfox
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    I’ve noticed a few kanji that share both radicals and readings (though I can’t bring to mind which ones)… assumed it had some kind of etymology behind it.

    Is there a website somewhere with the details? Ideally with lists of words that share features.

    #39763

    Joel
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    I’m sure there is a website somewhere. But yeah, there’s pretty much three kinds of radicals: ones that share their reading, ones that share their meaning, and ones that are either pictograph-based, or just modified from some other radical. Sometimes they overlap.

    For example, 日 tends to share its meaning – kanji with the 日 radical (at least when it’s on the left) tend to have a meaning related to time. For example, 時, 曜 or 暇. On the other hand, 方 tends to share its reading (ほう) – such as 放, 訪 or 芳. Once you start getting a feel for which radicals do what, it’s a good way to intuit either the meaning or the reading of a kanji you’ve never seen before.

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