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    Kroentschies
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    A few days ago, I’m started studying the radicals and their amazing stories. Some of the radicals I already knew, because of similar looking kanjis, most of them were new to me.

    Which of these stories about radicals do correlate to the actual meaning of the radical/kanji or at least represent some general context of it?
    Which stories are just imaginary?

    Or is there a greater concept, making it easy to tell a whole story at the end which contains all the radicals? Like the “lore ipsum” text available as random text, which contains all letters of the alphabet.

    Some of the words given to the radicals I just can rembember, like the triblahblah-saurus radical which I identified at first as an unicorn. Dito the horns, I prefer ears, and the grass is so neatly called flowertop at Kanjidamage.

    My question is, which radicals can I safely rename or add some different meaning to it and which I better stick to the original name?

    Thanks for your help!

    #24034

    You should never change radical names, because that will fuck up all later stories.
    Often the radicals/primitives take meaning from much more complex kanji, where they are originally derived from
    For example 頁 takes the meaning of head when used as a primitive, but that is taken from 頭
    筋 力
    冠 crown primite
    etc

    #24056

    Hatt0ri
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    I think just the opposite. Renaming radicals can’t in any way have influence on later stories, only on previous ones. Only if you decide to change radical name after you already made stories with old one, will you get in trouble. That’s why it’s important to choose the name of the radical wisely, and stick to it. But a name itself, it can be anything you want. Unicorn is as good as Triceratops (I think that was the TF name). Aside from Kanjidamage you can check Reviewing the Kanji for ideas.

    In my experience, best suited for radicals are concrete objects and names of the famous people. Avoid names that are too broad or vague in meaning like “by one’s side”or “word”. If you want a radical that is about something always by your side, choose a “cellphone”, and a name of a person who speaks a lot for “word”. This way, if you want, you can retain the original idea of the radical while having something easy to remember for a radical name.

    #24062

    Kroentschies
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    Thanks for your suggestions.

    I think, I just add the words which help me remember the radicals easier.

    Yep, it was Triceratops and since I’m not into dinosaur stuff, those names sound like Greek to me.

    #24063

    Hatt0ri
    Member

    Ssssshhhh, don’t ever say you are not into dinosaurs on TextFugu! :))

    #24067

    Kroentschies
    Member

    Oh, holy moly! I hope, I don’t get excommunicated for blasphemy!
    Maybe I better should get that huge dinosaur-name-deck as a compensation.
    I will backup it together with all my other decks ;-)

    #24381

    Pencil
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    I tend to ignore the actual meaning of radicals, because, the way my mind works, I find that knowing the meaning of the parts doesn’t really help me remember the whole Kanji, and in fact, it often throws me off. While I love Heisig’s underlying methodology, a lot of his stories don’t stick in my mind because of a lack of shared experience, (especially the religious stuff) so when he says “Imagine an X”, I can’t, because I don’t have any real feelings/knowledge about X.

    What I tend to do, is look at the radical, and try and give it the name which resonates the most with me, and then craft the stories from there. So, what Heisig describes as “a cat’s least three favourite things (rice, dogs, flowers)”, I imagine as “a place cats love to play (rice field, with flowers, and swaying trees)”. I know it might seem self-centred, but I think that tailoring the images to your own subconscious is the best way to make the stories stick.

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